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Interesting Game including internet safety, use, protecting kids. I did not go play through as I was only a guest, but I plan to look at it further. JL WildWebWoods

==I was substitute teaching in an elementary school library last week when a first grade teacher came in with a question for the main librarian (I was there for her planning day). The teacher had made a video recording of herself reading a book as she was showing the pictures of the book. She wanted to actually read the book live in the classroom to the students as the students would be watching the video on a screen and seeing the illustrations as she read. That way, she would not have to stop reading and show the pictures to everyone. (There would be no sound with the video) The teacher was asking the librarian if this is legal to do because of copyright laws with the illustrations and the book's text. No decision was made while I was there, the librarian was going to look into it. I wondered why they did not just use an Elmo. The school has them available in most classes, if not all of them. Does anyone know if this legal to do or not? JA ==

That plan doesn't sound interesting or engaging and yes, it definitely violates copyright. Hopefully the librarian really did know that you can't do this and she was putting off giving an answer because she was going to try to think of a better plan for the teacher -- something that would work better. If the teacher wants to record herself reading a book and showing the pages, she simply needs to get permission from the copyright holder. If the book is out of copyright, then this would be legal to do, however uninteresting it will be. To record a book with a document scanner like an elmo, you also need to get permission from the copyright holder. AK

When I mentioned an elmo, I just meant to use it to project the pictures on a screen as she read the book. I did not realize that she had to return the book to another school. I was told about that the next week. And I think you were right about the librarian, too. She was trying to find another solution. Librarians seemed to be presented with some real challenges at times. JA

==So far, so good! I had no idea about video recording talent shows and the like and not being permitted to do so or use them. I'll look more into this. Also, I think one of the most abused copyright by teachers/students is that of using music in presentations. They use more than what is permitted with permission. lh==

You can record talent shows for your own personal copy. Teachers do use too much music often and it's popular to give students an assignment to make their own music videos. Our ed dept chair was actually doing that assignment, but stopped when the copyright issue came up. AK

Reminder: Initial your posts so I can give you good grades! AK
I am not sure what happened, but I had page called Copyright listed over to the side? It has disappeared. You can still find it in pages, and recent changes.

It was there last night when I added my comment, However, not sure what is going on either because there is a space.menu by my name under the page button--does anyone know what that is or did I hit something I wasn't supposed to. VN I wondered about that. I am still trying to figure it out. Julie

If you go to the smiley face at the top of the page, there is a help link and the one for managing files is particularly helpful for learning the advanced features of wikispaces, but I'm sorry to say i can't find space.menu, which I assume is a preexisting file. AK

So this is cool. I figured out how to change the colors. I think I put my new post in the wrong place last night. I put it above the other posts instead of down here. I worked in that same library today. The teacher/librarian had another curriculum planning day with some of the teachers. So I was able to ask about this copyright question. She said she believed that the teacher was violating a copyright law. The reason behind the video was that this was a book lent from another school that needed to be returned. Other teachers wanted to use this book in their curriculum as well. By having the pictures and text on the screen, the other teachers would not have to borrow the book later. They could just read the book to their students from the video text and the students could see the pictures. I think they should just buy the book!! JA

yes -- buy the book! AK

JA, how did you change the color of the text?? My typing is in blue now only because I started it right after yours. I can't find where to color text. Also, that is a really interesting question your 1st grade teacher asked, and an interesting answer by the library (makes sense). I, too, wonder why the teacher didn't just use the Elmo....maybe the teacher hasn't connected that it can be used this way to read books and show illustrations? Perhaps someone could let her know...politely. She'd no doubt appreciate knowing. If you or someone else does say something and the teacher had some good reason for wanting to do it as she had hoped, please share - I'd be interested. PM

Paige, highlight the text and go up to the box with the T -- the one ext to underline. That's where you can change color. Saying something is good, but you're right -- reading the situation ad using tact works best! AK

I was witness to a possible copyright violation about four years ago at work, though I didn’t know it at the time. Our fifth grade teachers do a slide show of the school year in their classrooms during the 5th grade graduation ceremony each year. One year a parent was given all the (digital) slides and spent hours putting the show together. It was dynamite. Staff, students, and parents all wanted a copy, including myself, of the slide show (DVD) afterwards. The maker had anticipated this and right then and there handed them out at $5 each to those who would pay. Many were willing.

Clearly, in this situation, the maker of the DVD was ok with copies being disseminated (especially given he was paid for the copies). However, the maker was not the photographer of the photos put on the DVD and, to my knowledge, had not asked each and every one of the ~50 fifth graders in the photos if they were ok with him selling their image. Also, credit was not given to the photographers on the finished product that was being sold. And one more thing, I’m guessing, given the photos were of elementary age kids, that parental permission should have been requested.

My verdict: the creator of the PowerPoint slide show violated copyright law. Do others agree?

Yes, But if parental permission was given to use the photos, then it really isn't a copyright violation and if the parents didn't want to receive a credit for taking the photos, and they probably didn't, then you wouldn't need stated credit. I think that this would have been fine if the creator sent out a letter telling the parents what the plan was and getting permission signatures. AK

ther scenario, in retrospect, is bothersome to me to this day. Nine years ago a parent of one the kids in my classroom learned that I was headed to Hawaii for a vacation. He asked if I was familiar with the musician Brother Iz (I wasn’t). A few days later he showed up with three copies he’d made of Brother Iz’s music CDs, including color copies of the album covers. I’m still enjoying those copies, but I absolutely should have declined this gift. I would not accept it now. It was a well intentioned gift from a very nice person, but it was wrong. I’m a huge proponent of the Arts and I find it sad that artists, whether musicians, painters, or others, are gyped out of what is due to them. This type of artist rip-off happens often, I know, by people who want and expect to be paid for their work but don’t think twice about ripping off artists.


 * //Just a thought//** - I’m thinking a 3-ring binder with tabs for “CDs”, “Books”, “Websites”, etc. might be the best format for presenting copyright information in the library. If it were constructed as sort of a “quick and easy information” binder and lived in a specific spot where staff could access it just within the doors of the library, it might become and stay in the forefront of teacher’s minds. PM

Agreed -- copyright guidelines are too much for any of us. if we can just look for the one rule we need and find it quickly, we are more likely to comply! AK

PM, I see you have changed the color! So did you find it in the "T" with the colorful sphere by the U for underline in the breadcrumbs. Just click on the colored box by the words, 'Text Color'. Then click on the color you like and click on apply styles. It is fun to use. I like your idea about the three ring binder. Quick and Easy to find information seems like the best way to go. Teachers are busy and need easily accessed information. The teacher I wrote about is aware of the Elmo, but as I mentioned in my second comment, her main motivation for video taping the book was that the book had been borrowed from another school and needed to be returned. Other teachers wanted to use it in their curriculum, so she copied it. I think it would be better to just buy a copy of the book. JA

PM, After what we have learned about copyright laws, I would have to agree with you that the CD's produced from the Power Point presentation are a violation of copyright laws. I also agree with you about the photographs, that they needed permission if they are being sold. Wow, everything is getting so complicated. What about the sports video presentations from the season's photographs? At the end of last year's track season, our head coach had a CD full of photographs that his wife had taken. So. it was only one photographer. Kids had to pay $5 for each CD if they wanted one. So,it probably is legal, but did he need consent from the athletes for using pictures of them?

He needed consent from their parents and it's possible he had it if the school has a form sent out at the beginning of the year that gives permission for students to be photographed. It's also possible he didn't have permission. I would never take pics of kids and sell them unless I was positive I had permission. That could have much worse consequences than a person would suffer for copying a workbook. i wouldn't do it even if I did get permission and I wouldn't agree for my kid to be on anything like that. For me that has much less to do with copyright and is just bc I'm the mom who isn't going to let people sell pics of her kid. AK

I think that a lot of kids have copied CD's through the past years. However, I think this violation has slowed down, because kids use MP3 players and iPods more than playing music on a CD player. JA

I am creating an end of year slideshow with 5th grade students. We have discussed making CD's for those who want one. Can we distribute without charging? Hmmm, not so sure about that. Also, what about school yearbooks? There is a yearbook committee, or club, or maybe just a parent(in elementary schools) who put together a yearbook. Also, there are companies that will publish them for you. I wonder how that works, in terms of the photos. JL

JA thanks for telling me where you changed the color - don't know how I missed that! Now, as you can see, I'm trying out having a background color as well - gettin' fancy. Thanks, too, for explaining about the Elmo - I agree, absolutely would be better to just buy a copy of the book...or ask her librarian to purchase a copy for the library if she thinks she will use it again in the future! And about the athletes and photos, I think yes, the coach's wife (or coach) did need to get consent from each one before selling images of them, especially given they were minors??, PM

J L, I think for the yearbooks they have to sign something first that gives permission for their photo to be in the book. I think there is a handful of students at our school this year that didn't want to si gn. PM

At our district, no student's pictures, or work can be posted anywhere, especially in our town's newspaper,and videos published at school, unless the parents and students have signed off. This signature gives permission for student's pictures to be published. This brings a situation to mind--we had a substitute teacher that was substituting for a class and decided to take pictures in one of the classes, and then later posted them and attached names on facebook. A big "no no" because this person had not idea whether or not the student's pictures could be published. Val

Why schools block facebook and then turn around and send pics of kids to newspapers without permission, I will never know. However, some schools do send out a blanket permission form for using images of students and do get parent permissions. AK

Thanks for the quick lesson on changing color and text--I too missed it. This makes it a little more interesting. Val

JL I am now in the process of purchasing a license so we can legally show movies at school. The information on umbrella licensing is below. At this time, I am purchasing the first one only - it covers mostly everything, but not Fox movies.

I love the idea of a binder with copyright information in it.

Movie Licensing 20th Century Fox Movie License

Julie

PM-I also like the copyright binder idea--not only would that be a great asset, but I may also place the guidelines on the school's website, so parents, students, and teachers may access from home. Val

Thanks, Julie for the movie licensing websites. Val

All of this discussion on copyright really has me thinking back over what I've done myself and seen others do over the years and not even think about it. Just recently many parents were taking their photographs to a local store to make copies for a senior collage. Sometimes it was allowed for copyrighted photos, and sometimes not. It all depended on who was working and how much was checked. I purchased a CD with my daughter's senior pictures and was not given a form by the photographer that stated we had permission to copy, only her word verbally. When we sent them by internet and then went to pick the up and were asked for the permission we only showed the Cd cover with her name. They took it but questioned it. I then called the photographer and had her send me a form for permission that she thought her assistant had given us. I also just today had our music teacher come ask me for help on public domain music and finding some that would work. We had a discussion about copyright then and I was glad I had all the new information to share with her. She admitted that so many in her area try to stick to copyright laws but there are just times they don't for convenience or immediate need. I hope I can help her find what she is looking for and that our conversation got her thinking more about copyright. By the way, if anyone knows a good sight for both recordings and sheet music of public domain music, I'd love to have it. We aren't really getting anywhere. lh

I like the idea of putting information for library materials in a 3-ring binder. It would be a quick reference guide and for other things you could even have a list of websites to use. JL-I agree for your slideshow CDs that you'd have to make sure any students that were not to be pictured would not be in any of them. I think if all the pictured takers gave them to you with the understanding what they were to be used for then they should be okay. I also don't think they would have to pay for them if it's something you, as the creator, are okay doing at no charge. I don't see a reason for money. Many things are free, copyrighted or not. lh

The copyright clearance center site given in the lecture helps with music too. AK

Julie, Thanks for those two websites. One stop shopping for a performance site license/permission to show movies is a great idea. JA

AK-how is a wiki different from a blog? Or is it a type of blog? I've looked at many things from Wikipedia the last couple of weeks while researching some things and they don't look like this. Are there different types? Just wondering, lh

I like this person's explanantion bc they are similar, but each have strengths. AK [] Thanks Anne for that article. It really separates the two types of websites into understandable and distinct terms. JA We had the annual Alaska Folk Festival here a couple weeks ago, during which I love to take photos of the musicians. I was sitting up in the front on the floor the evening the Guest Artists performed, trying to get some good shots. I turned around at one point and saw that dozens of people were standing there (or sitting), holding their phones out recording the group. It was quite a sight (and sign of the times). The next night the MC announced there were several videos of the fest on Youtube. This is a copyright violation, right, unless the people who did the posting asked all the group members if it was ok to post? PM

Ih, great idea. I'd like a good website of public domain sheet music and recordings, too. PM = **Welcome Group 1 members** = I started a page called Copyright Discussion, please add your copyright comments there. If anyone wants to add another discussion topic feel free.

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